Episode 4 July 28 2026
Dr. Joe Esposito
Orthodox vs Holistic Approaches to Diabetes

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Hey, folks. I’m Dr. Joe Esposito. Let’s get started. What we’re gonna talk about today is a natural approach to diabetes.

Now, what I’m gonna talk about is I- I’m not gonna say what you’re doing is wrong, I’m not against medicine or anything like that, but there are alternatives that you can include in your protocol, your treatment protocol, that oftentimes do tremendous things, great results, and most people are thrilled with the results.

My goal is not to have you stop taking medication. My goal is to get you well enough so that you don’t have to take the medication. People ask me all the time, “Dr. Joe, what, what can I do to stop taking my medication?” A blood pressure, diabetes, whatever it is. I say, “Listen, okay, don’t stop your medication, but let’s work to get you well.”

So let’s first talk about what diabetes is There’s ty- there’s two types, Type 1 and Type 2. There’s even a Type 3, which affects the brain, but I don’t know if I have time for that today. But Type 1 diabetes, your [00:01:00] pancreas, which sits on your left side kinda near your stomach, doesn’t produce enough insulin.

Cases like that, you usually have to take insulin to stay alive. Type 1 used to be called juvenile onset diabetes, now older people get it too. Type 2 diabetes is the most common one. So with Type 2 diabetes, you’re making insulin. You’re fine with insulin production. What’s happening is if I eat something with sugar in it, it could be sugar, it could be bread, it could be just about anything, my brain gets, gets a message and says, “Hey, there’s sugar floating around in the blood right now.

We gotta get this sugar, glucose specifically, out of the blood,” because glucose, if it’s too high, can cause damage to the blood vessels. So your brain sends a message to my pan- your pancreas, and says, “Hey pancreas, release some insulin, and let’s get that sugar out of the blood.” So the way insulin works is insulin goes into the cells, and the cell is, uh, has a, a hole in it, like a keyhole.

Let’s keep it simple. The insulin goes in like a [00:02:00] key, opens up the cell, and allows glucose into the cell. So insulin actually goes in as a key. If you eat too much sugar or you produce too much insulin, the insulin keeps going to the cell and saying, “Open up, open up, open up,” and the cell says, “I can’t open up anymore.

If I let more glucose in, I’m gonna gunk up the works.” So the cell says, “Hey insulin, I’m not gonna let you in the keyhole.” I become resistant to the insulin. That’s the term called insulin resistance or Type 2 diabetes. So we don’t wanna become insulin resistant, because now the cell isn’t getting enou- uh, hardly any sugar, and now the sugar’s floating around in the blood.

So the body says, “Wait a minute, if I have too much sugar in the blood, I gotta get it out of the blood.” So the body says, “What can I do with this glu- glucose? I know what I’ll do. I’ll store it as glycogen.” Glycogen is stored fuel. That’s your extra gas tank. So glycogen is in your liver, it’s in your muscles, and so once all the glycogen places are filled [00:03:00] up, the body says, “You keep putting sugar in, I don’t know what to do with it.”

We gotta get rid of it. We gotta get it out of the blood. So first it goes into the cells, glucose opens up the cells, lets it in. Number two, it gets stored as glycogen. If there’s still sugar around, the body converts it into something called triglycerides and then stores it as fat. This is why sugar makes us fat.

Pretty simple. So traditionally, if you have diabetes, we’ll give you metformin, insulin, glucose-lowering drugs, and what we try to do is force the cells almost, like we give you insulin to get in there and force those cells open to get the glucose out. That’s one approach. Well, that’s an okay approach, but it doesn’t fix the problem.

The problem is the insulin resistance. So what do we do about that? What can we do? Now, if you have high blood sugar, take your drugs. I’m not telling you not take drugs. But let’s talk about some proactive steps that you can take to help bring down [00:04:00] that blood sugar. Number one, fiber. If I’m eating fiber, in fact, I, I, I love salads.

I have at least a big salad a day. So I’m gonna eat a salad with a bunch of stuff in there. It might have carrots, it might have olives, it might have, uh, I don’t know, chickpeas, whatever. And the fiber in my salad is gonna slowly push the food through my colon and give me a slow release of sugar That’s perfect because then we don’t have this big glut of sugar and all this insulin being released at once.

So fiber’s gonna be the key. Eating low glycemic index foods, foods that don’t convert into sugar. So what would that be? Fruits, vegetables, nuts, seeds, legumes, beans. So low glycemic foods are really should be part of your diet anyway because low glycemic foods are usually the good foods. Now, not always because let’s say you have diet soda.

Diet soda, low glycemic food, but very toxic to the body. In fact, I just taught a course earlier today on traumatic brain injury, [00:05:00] what happens when the brain is traumatized on a cellular level, and a big section of the course I taught was on aspartame, aspartic acid, ’cause aspartic acid excites the brain and can actually cause inflammation and swelling and…

But I’m not gonna give you a lecture on traumatic brain injury today. So it’s important that we keep that blood sugar under control. So high-fiber foods are great. Exercise is wonderful. This is something I want everybody to do every meal. Gonna make, ask for a commitment here. When you move around after a meal, the muscles take the sugar out of the blood and use it ’cause the muscles need sugar to run.

So after a meal, go for a walk. Now, it d- if you don’t wanna go outside, I mean, it might be a hot day, a rainy day, whatever, walk around your house. If nothing else, do squats. 20, 30 squats is enough to start driving that sugar out of the blood and into the muscles. So that’s why it’s so important to manage your blood sugar by doing something physical.

When I wake up in the morning, my house faces east, [00:06:00] so I like to go outside, and I’ll pull weeds, I’ll walk around the lawn, I’ll just see, you know, pick up stones, whatever, just to give myself an excuse to get that morning sun for about 10 or 15 minutes ’cause one of the things sun does, it takes glucose from your blood, drives it into the muscles.

So it’s another trick you can do, and also we need sun for many, many, many reasons. I won’t give you a whole lecture on that today. Now, there are certain supplements that you can take that help stabilize blood sugar, and one of them is called berberine. Berberine in some studies works just as well as the drugs to lower blood sugar.

So berberine is spectacular. Uh, cinnamon, Ceylon cinnamon, C-E-Y-L-O-N. Ceylon cinnamon helps stabilize blood sugar. So when you wake up in the morning, I take supplements every day, I think you should too. I take something called Dr. Joe’s Super Greens, Dr. Joe’s Essential Source. I mix it with coconut milk or almond milk.

I’ll add drops of D3 with K2 in it, and then I’ll add some cinnamon, some Ceylon cinnamon. [00:07:00] Now, not only does it taste good, but the cinnamon stabilize my blood sugar so I don’t get a spike and a crash. So berberine is great. Cinnamon is great. Chromium, get that’ll f- from a lot of nuts and seeds, that’s great.

And here’s one, may surprise you, vinegar Any type of vinegar. I like apple cider vinegar because it has more bene- health, health benefits and nutrients in it. But vinegar can help stabilize blood sugar So you can either drink it, which I don’t like. I don’t like tart foods, I like sweet foods. So you can drink it, I use it as part of a salad dressing ’cause I have a salad every day, I’m gonna make sure I add my vinegar to it.

So we have berberine, we have fibrous foods, we have cinnamon, we have vinegar. So now we have… In fact, I have a supplement, it’s called Dr. Joe’s Glucose Guard, and it actually has a bunch of other her- herbs in it and supplements to stabilize blood sugar. In fact, I teach a whole course, um, it’s about an hour, hour and a half course, on diabetes specifically, on causes and [00:08:00] what to do about it, so there’s a lot of good information there.

So you wanna make sure that you keep the fiber high, ’cause the thing is too that things that don’t have fiber are bad for us. Years ago, I remember giving a lecture and I was talking about nutrition and biochemistry, this was probably 20, wow, gosh, 40 years ago now, mm. And, um, I was talking about the foods you want to avoid, and just evolution brought it to, it just evolved into the seven deadly sins of nutrition, the seven foods you wanna cut back or cut out of your diet.

And those seven foods are alcohol, meat, sugar, dairy, coffee, soda, and artificial sweetener. Now, don’t get nervous. If you’re listening to this, you went, “Oh my, that’s my whole diet. You’re an idiot, I can’t give up alcohol, meat, sugar, dairy, coffee, soda, and artificial sweetener.” Let’s negotiate. If you’re gonna do coffee, I recommend organic only.

Coffee is the most highly sprayed food that we eat, chemicals, pesticides, fungicides, [00:09:00] so coffee is really sprayed. And when we roast it, we create something called acrylamides, and acrylamides are linked to cancer. So if you’re gonna do coffee, I recommend organic only so you don’t get the pesticides and the chemicals.

Artificial sweetener, we have lo han, we have stevia, uh, we have monk fruit, we have xylitol. So there’s many substitutes you can use that are zero calorie, won’t spike your blood sugar, and they still taste sweet. But I’m begging you, please, give up those artificial sweetener. Aspartame, sucralose, and saccharin are the big ones.

Please give those up. So every one I have, I, I negotiate with. Alcohol, of course alcohol just does wonders to your blood sugar and your liver. Lowers your testosterone, by the way, too. But here’s my thing: If you’re gonna eat or drink alcohol, ’cause I’m a realist, I understand people are gonna drink, I want you to mitigate the damage.

I want you to have three glasses of water for every drink that you have, because alcohol’s a diuretic, it makes you pee, but also flushes out a lot of vital nutrients. So I tell people to take what’s called a methylated [00:10:00] B complex. Not a regular B complex, a methylated B complex, and methylated means it’s in a usable form.

Most B vitamins are not methylated, which means about 60% of us can’t convert it into a usable form, and it doesn’t do us any good. In fact, you could build up toxic levels of the unmethylated, let’s say, folic acid. So a methylated B complex, three glasses of water with every piece of mouthful. If you’re gonna eat meat or dairy products, I recommend organic only.

‘Cause when I was a kid, you were a kid, we didn’t have to worry about the steroids, chemicals, hormones, antibiotics, genetically modified food, glyphosate. It’s a whole new world today than it was even 20 years ago. So I strongly advise if you’re gonna eat animal products, organic only. Now, I choose not to eat animal products.

I haven’t had animal product in 40 years. Not asking you to do that. I’m asking you to just make better choices when you do. So alcohol, meat, sugar, dairy, coffee, sodas. Soda kind of fits, fits in all the groups. [00:11:00] Um, artificial sweeteners are oftentimes used in soda. I really want you to stop that. Those things are just so bad for you because the artificial sweeteners, I can give you breakdowns of it, how it affects the hormones and it, it can spike, spike insulin, uh, spike, uh, uh, estrogen and it can ac- do damage to the kidneys and so, uh, excite the brain.

So just be careful with those foods ’cause they’re very exciting to the brain, and many times when the brain gets excited, what do you wanna do? You wanna eat more. And I don’t know if you’re like me, but if I have anything sweet, even a piece of bread, you know what I want? More bread, more sweet. ‘Cause when I eat sugar, it stimulates a part of my brain, the nucleus accumbens or accumbens, depends how you say it, and that part of my brain releases dopamine.

Dopamine is a neurotransmitter that gives you pleasure. So when I eat sugar, I want more sugar. I just got high from it. And that goes for breads and cookies and cakes and donuts and pastas as well. So once you start, it’s really [00:12:00] hard to stop, and I understand that. I get it. So the key is don’t do it. And watch yourself.

It’s really simple. Next time you have a piece of bread, notice, do I want more bread? Next time you have a cookie, do I want more cookies? Next time I eat something sweet, do I want more sweets? The answer’s probably gonna be yes because you’re getting high from it. So that’s why if you’re going to do something sweet…

Or how about this? Even better. Next time you get a sweet craving, okay, you just, “I gotta have cookies, gotta have ice cream, I gotta have something,” I want you to have something sour first. Have a pickle, have a little bit of vinegar, have some lemon juice, and you’re gonna find that almost instantly those cravings start to go away.

It’s really a neat little trick I use with patients. And pickles are great, by the way. Uh, I know they’re high in sodium, but y- as long as you’re eating a high, a good plant-based diet, you’re getting plenty of potassium to balance that out Side note on sodium, um, if you use salt, I want you to use air-dried sea salt, Celtic salt, uh, Himalayan.

Himalayan salt is pink. Sometimes it comes from China, has [00:13:00] heavy metals in it. The best salt, if you had to pick one, is called Baja, B-A-H-A, B-A, B-A-J-A Gold. Baja Gold is the best salt you could use. But Celtic salt is also very good ’cause it has about 70 different minerals in it aside from just sodium chloride like table salt.

I want you to also get something called potassium chloride. You can go to the, uh, grocery store, and it’s in the salt section, and it’s su- salt substitute, and potassium chloride. And mix about 50/50 potassium chloride to sodium chloride if you have salt issues or high blood pressure, and you’ll be amazed how it actually can lower the blood pressure by using salt now because the potassium helps balance out the sodium, and that’s a whole another lecture on kidneys.

But it’s just a neat little trick we can do. But when you start craving those sugars, I want you to have something tart or vinegary, and you’ll be amazed how those, those, uh, cravings really start to go away. It’s really neat. And when you’re starting a high-fiber diet, you’re getting things like chromium, you’re getting thing…

other nutrients, [00:14:00] you’re getting fiber, and so you’re less likely to crave those sweets. Now, I crave sweets sometimes. I’m human. I get it. So have yourself a piece of fruit. Now, not fruit juice, fruit. Because if I do fruit juice- It’s about… Well, it has fructose in it, fructose and glucose. Glucose is the type of sugar my cells use.

If I put fructose in my body, my body says, “I don’t know how to use fructose. I have to convert it into glucose.” Follow me, I’m getting a little technical here. The conversion of fructose into glucose happens in my liver, and as fructose converts into glucose, we create a waste product, and that waste product is called uric acid.

Now, uric acid gets in your joints and it hurts. Now, my background, I’m board certified in chiropractic orthopedics, pain management, double board certified in nutrition, certified in traumatic brain injury, BS in nutrition, retired dietitian. I’ve written two books. I host the largest, I believe one of the largest, if not the largest radio show in the [00:15:00] world based in Atlanta, Georgia, on health and wellness.

We have about a million followers on social media. So I’ve been on Dr. Oz’s show, he’s been on my show. So I teach this all day, every day. And so when people come to me and they ask me questions about health, I usually have a pretty good answer for them, and they’ll ask me this question: “Dr. Joe, I thought orange juice was good for me.

I thought apple juice was good for me.” It’s not, ’cause when the fructose converts into glucose, uric acid is produced, gets in your joints and it hurts. Uric acid lowers your body’s production of nitric oxide. Nitric oxide opens up your blood vessels and increases circulation to your heart, your lungs, your sex organs, your brain.

And as we get older, the nitric oxide levels drop. This is one of the reasons why old people have high blood pressure and young people don’t. So if we could naturally increase our nitric oxide production, we can increase circulation, lower blood pressure, and help get the, the, the nutrients like the sugars into the cells.

So I take a nit- [00:16:00] nitric oxide supplement. It’s called Dr. Joe’s Nitric Oxide Support, and it can… And it opens up my blood vessels. I take it, we have two kinds. We have a t- tablet, a capsule, I’m sorry, and a chewable. The chewable, you can do two chewables three times a day, uh, up to three times a day. The capsules, I take four capsules one at a time, and depends what kind of mood I’m in.

But the chewables are even on sale right now, actually. But the chewables are great because they’re fun. They taste like candy, and they’re sweetened with stevia, so they kinda curb that, uh, sugar craving you have, and it gives you nitric oxide to open up the blood vessels, and that helps flush out the uric acid and the waste products and helps with pain management mm, slightly, and there’s a lot more to pain management than that.

But I always look at everything I do. Is this gonna be good for me, or it’s gonna be bad for me? And if I’m drinking fruit juice without fiber, just the juice, that sugar spike is gonna blow up, man, and it’s not gonna be good. And if I eat an apple as opposed to apple juice, the fiber’s gonna push everything through the colon, plus phytonutrients and other, other chemicals in there that [00:17:00] help stabilize my blood sugar So sodas, fruit juices, same thing basically when it comes to sugar.

So think about water, think about stevia. Put stevia in your water. I do it every day actually. Uh, I’ll do tea. In the summer I’ll do iced tea. I’ll do stevia, I’ll use monk fruit, kinda depends what I’m in the mood for, and that really helps mitigate those blood sugar spikes. So I know, uh, they said w- wanted me to talk about 20 minutes.

So ceylon cinnamon, vinegar, high-fiber diet, berberine, there are supplements like, uh, uh… And if you have any questions, by the way, you can send it to me through my website, drjoe.com, D-R-J-O-E.com. It says, “Ask a question,” I will answer you personally. But on the website, we have a glucose guard, it’s a supplement, and I give that to people with blood sugar issues.

Uh, the nitric oxide I take every day. I’ve got other supplements I take every day. But really, everything you eat, whenever you eat a meal, look at the meal and say, “Is this gonna be the best choice that I can make right now?” If the answer’s [00:18:00] no, don’t eat it. If the answer is yes, eat it. And I’ll give you a quick example here.

Maybe you wanna go out for Mexican food. I love Mexican food. And you go out for Mexican food, you can have chips. Those are off the list, by the way. Those are, like, just little, little chunks of potential cancer right there, but I won’t give you that lecture. So I get a side order of refried beans, make sure there’s no lard in it.

I might get a side order of guacamole, some salsa, maybe some pico de gallo, and I could make myself a three or four or five layer dip, and I could just eat that with a spoon. Now, I know that sounds weird. Why not chips? ‘Cause the chips are so bad for you, and they blow up your blood sugar. So I’ll eat something like that.

So sometimes you have to get a little creative. Next week I’m going to a concert, I’m going to the Barry Manilow concert. I love Barry Manilow, and probably be the last time I ever see him. And somebody gave me a gift certificate to a steakhouse right outside the arena, $150 gift card. So I’m gonna go to the steakhouse for dinner, and I’m just gonna look at the side dishes.

I looked on the menu already. They have Brussels sprouts, they have broccoli, [00:19:00] they have, uh, potatoes. Oh, one more thing. Gosh, I can talk for hours. If you’re gonna eat a po- a, a sugar, a potato, a s- a rice, a, a pasta, what you wanna do is cook it, put it in the refrigerator overnight, eat it the next day or the next couple of days.

That creates something called a resistant starch, and you’re gonna absorb about 50% less glucose or sugar than if you ate it fresh. So everything you eat as far as a carbohydrate should be a resistant starch always. Bread, you can freeze it. I don’t recommend bread anyway. Freeze it, creates a resistant starch.

Have some vinegar, have some cinnamon, have some, uh, uh, uh, the ceylon cinnamon we talked about, the berberine. And now we have a whole protocol, again, 20 minutes, on how to stabilize the blood sugar, and you’re getting nutrients that you need too. That’s pretty exciting. So I know I’m right at my 20-minute mark, so anybody have any questions?

Hey, Dr. Joe, it’s Tom. Thank you so much, uh, from, from everybody over here at TY [00:20:00] Healthspan. You’re doing a great job tonight. And y- yeah, we, we can tell that you would be, you would be willing to go, just keep going. But unfortunately, we, we, uh, can’t do that all night. Um, one, uh, one question. Several, several questions came up.

Um, uh, can, can diabetes, type 2 diabetes be, be reversed actually? Complete- you know, in other words- Make it go away. Yeah. The answer is, in many cases, yes. Okay. Type 2. Type 1 is different. But type 2- Yeah … in many cases we can certainly mitigate the damage, and in many cases get people off their medication totally.

So the answer is yes, in many cases. That’s awesome. Mm-hmm. Looks like, uh, so we, we had talked about treating diabetes backwards as one of the, as one of the things that we’re really, we’re the, the- Mm-hmm … about during this particular, uh, [00:21:00] talk today. Right. Um, would you maybe, maybe give us a quick description of what that, what, what that means?

I mean, you did a great job out- outlining all the things we should- Yeah … should be doing, but sort of if you could compare and contrast, you know, the, uh, the, the current sort of orthodox treatment versus, versus the, the, the other approaches that most- But the orthodox treatment, we’re treating the symptoms, and sometimes we have to treat symptoms.

I’m not against treating symptoms, but nowhere in the orthodox treatments does anyone ever say, “Listen, we’re gonna put you on a protocol so hopefully we can reverse this and normalize blood sugar.” No one that I know of has ever gotten off medications for diabetes, okay? I have an infection, I take a penicillin, penicillin kills my infection, I’m done.

It, it r- fixed the cause. Diabetes doesn’t work that way. High blood pressure doesn’t work that way. Cholesterol doesn’t work that way. So I always say, “If you have to take the meds, take them, but let’s put together the protocol,” the supplements, the diet, um, the, the, the, the food choices, the [00:22:00] water, the exercising.

We put that all together, and in many cases now we start getting better and the patient goes back to their primary doctor and they say, “Hey, listen, what’s my blood sugar look like?” “It’s looking really good. What have you been doing?” “Well, I was sent to Dr. Joe. He told me to do this, this, this, this, and this.”

“Hey, listen, you’re doing great. Let’s reduce your medication or let’s stop your medication.” So every situation I deal with, neck pain, back pain, shoulder pain, digestive issues, Alzheimer’s, Parkinson’s, whatever it is, I think we’re doing it all backwards. We need to also get to the cause and not just treat the symptoms, and if we do that, most of the time we win.

Sometimes we don’t, but most of the time we win, and the results are phenomenal. Had a lady come in, her name was Connie, and she came to me c- about two years ago and she said, “My kidney function is at 28% and I’m gonna die. I will do whatever you say. I’m too old. The doctors have given up on me.” She’s only in her 60s.

So I got her on a protocol, supplement, diet, the whole bit, specific supplements for kidneys, and two months later I get a phone call and it [00:23:00] says, uh, my secretary says, “Connie’s on the phone And I went, “Ooh, this isn’t gonna be good.” And I pick up the phone, she goes, “52%, ha ha ha,” and hung up the phone. So her kidneys went from 28 to 52%.

That was two years ago. She came in about three weeks ago and said, “Dr. Joe, I’m no longer in kidney failure. My doctor doesn’t understand how ’cause that can’t happen, but I’ve been stable now at 52% for about three year- two years, and I’m able to not be considered kidney failure.” So incorporating orthodox medicine or ordinary medicine with a holistic approach, the results are usually just off the chart.

And why we’re not doing this, I don’t know. Another question? Sure. Um, in, in your opinion, what is the biggest roadblock for people making lifestyle change before onset of a diagnosis of diabetes or anything else for that matter? I think comfort because we’re so used to things. We watch TV, you’re not gonna see a commercial for [00:24:00] broccoli.

You’re gonna see commercials for cookies and cakes and donuts and pastas and alcohol and my friends and these beautiful women in bikinis and these guys with these flat muscles, and they’re drinking and they’re on a p- beach and they’re having fun and you’re thinking, “I wanna have that kind of fun.” Well, that’s not fun.

That might be fun for an hour or two, but it’s not fun long-term. So I think it’s about education because we’re getting bombarded constantly with sales pitches. I, I’m giving you a sales pitch too. I want you to eat healthy. Um, but we don’t go into this very, very often. So I think it’s all about education, and that’s why my podcast is Dr.

Joe: For the Health of It. Dr. Joe: For the Health of It. And we put out two podcasts a week, and it’s all this stuff going on and on and on. Mm-hmm. Uh, I’ve been with, uh, my radio station now 17 years, which is like 10 lifetimes in radio, and, uh, you know, we have followers- So, and so, okay, if you c- if you wanna mention it for our, for our local audience, ’cause it’s mostly gon- mostly local tonight.

Okay. Uh, so- Yes, if you’re local, I’m on, I’m on WSB Radio, which is the number one talk radio station in the country, and my show’s on [00:25:00] Sunday evenings. Right now it’s 8:00 to 10:00, depe- I mean, I’ve done that, uh, time for years, but depends how old you listen when y- w- how old it is when you listen to this. Uh, but my website, drjoe.com, has all the information there.

If you scroll to the bottom of my website on the bottom page, it says the Dr. Joe Show, which is a two-hour show that I do live and I answer questions, and then it says the podcast, and the podcast is there as well. So on my website, Tom and I were talking before we came on, I’ve got about 4,000 hours of content.

Um, so there’s tons of content. If you have any health questions whatsoever, send it to me through my website, drjoe.com. Like I said, I will answer you personally. I really want, I wanna be your doctor. I wanna get to the cause of your healthcare problems, not just treat the symptoms And the more education, the easier it is to make these decisions because I, I brainwash you or un-brainwash you, depending how you wanna look at it.

Yeah, right. Um, one question. You know, you, you, you do seem to be, to be a fan of s- uh, of Stevia [00:26:00] or Stevia. Um- Um, one of the things, uh, that I’ve noticed about, about that is that they always seem to mix the Stevia with something. Um, and it’s usually not something that’s, that’s great. Some of it’s filler and sometimes they, they actually put in some other, other types of, of stuff to go with it.

What, what, what do you recommend as far as that is concerned? You could try the liquid Stevia or pure Stevia, organic Stevia, because many times they mix it with maltodextrin, and maltodextrin will actually spike your blood sugar ironically. Right. Yeah. So that’s why you wanna do organic or liquid Stevia.

You’re not gonna get the maltodextrin, so. Okay. Yeah. Great. Um- And pure Stevia by the way is really sweet. It’s, if you buy it- Oh, yeah … you’re gonna go, “Oh my God, it’s $50 a pound. This is crazy. I’m not…” A pound is like it’ll last you five lifetimes. It’s so light, and I, I remember doing this when I first discovered Stevia, I don’t know, decades ago.

You can just inhale near the Stevia and you’ll feel [00:27:00] the sweetness just covering your face. I mean, it’s so super. Mm. It’s like 300 times sweeter than sugar. So if you buy pure Stevia, be very careful. You’re talking pinches at a time, not tablespoons. Mm-hmm. It, it, it won’t be edible, so. They, they, they use filler for the weight, right?

To, to, to give it, give it some heft, right? Right, because if I’m charging 50 bucks for a pound or whatever it is, people aren’t gonna buy it. Sure. And if I’m charging $5 and it’s, you know, mostly maltodextrin, “Oh, I can buy that. I can afford that.” So just be careful with that, yeah. Sure. Okay. Well. Well, Dr. Joe, we don’t have any more questions.

I really wanna thank you on behalf of everybody over here at TY Healthspan for, for, uh, joining us this evening in Healthy Habits, uh, episode four. It’s been a lot of fun. Learned a lot tonight. Well, hopefully you’ll invite me back in the future.